With Moggallṅna Moggallṅna Sutta (SN 44:7)
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('â', The cosmos is eternal.â" "Well then, Master Moggallṅna, is the cosmos not eternal?" "Vaccha, that too has not been declared by the Blessed One: ),
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('â', The cosmos is not eternal.â" "Then is the cosmos finite?" ⦠"Is the cosmos infinite?" ⦠"Is the body the same as the soul?" ⦠"Is the body one thing, and the soul another?" ⦠"Does the Tathṅgata exist after death?" ⦠"Does the Tathṅgata not exist after death?" ⦠"Does the Tathṅgata both exist and not exist after death?" ⦠"Does the Tathṅgata neither exist nor not exist after death?" "Vaccha, that too has not been declared by the Blessed One: ),
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('â', The Tathṅgata neither exists nor does not exist after death." "Now, Master Moggallṅna, what is the cause, what is the reason why—when wanderers of other sects are asked in this way, they answer that ),
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('â', The cosmos is eternalâ or ),
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('â', The cosmos is not eternalâ or ),
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('â', The cosmos is finiteâ or ),
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('â', The cosmos is infiniteâ or ),
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('â', The body is the same as the soulâ or ),
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('â', The body is one thing and the soul anotherâ or ),
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('â', The Tathṅgata exists after deathâ or ),
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('â', The Tathṅgata does not exist after deathâ or ),
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('â', The Tathṅgata both exists and does not exist after death" or ),
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('â', The Tathṅgata neither exists nor does not exist after death,â yet when Gotama the contemplative is asked in this way, he does not answer that ),
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('â', The cosmos is eternalâ or ),
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('â', The cosmos is not eternalâ or ),
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('â', The cosmos is finiteâ or ),
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('â', The cosmos is infiniteâ or ),
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('â', The body is the same as the soulâ or ),
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('â', The body is one thing and the soul anotherâ or ),
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('â', The Tathṅgata exists after deathâ or ),
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('â', The Tathṅgata does not exist after deathâ or ),
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('â', The Tathṅgata both exists and does not exist after death" or ),
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('â', The Tathṅgata neither exists nor does not exist after deathâ?" "Vaccha, the members of other sects assume of the eye that ),
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('â', This is mine, this is my self, this is what I am.â They assume of the ear⦠the nose⦠the tongue⦠the body⦠the intellect that ),
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('â', This is mine, this is my self, this is what I am.â That is why, when asked in this way, they answer that ),
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('â', The cosmos is eternalâ⦠or that ),
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('â', The Tathṅgata neither exists nor does not exist after death.â But the Tathṅgata, worthy & rightly self-awakened, doesnât assume of the eye that ),
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('â', This is mine, this is my self, this is what I am.â He doesnât assume of the ear⦠the nose⦠the tongue⦠the body⦠the intellect that ),
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('â', This is mine, this is my self, this is what I am.â That is why, when asked in this way, he does not answer that ),
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('â', The cosmos is eternalâ⦠or that ),
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('â', The Tathṅgata neither exists nor does not exist after death.â" The Vacchagotta the wanderer, getting up from his seat, went to the Blessed One and, on arrival, exchanged courteous greetings with him. After an exchange of friendly greetings & courtesies, he sat to one side. As he was sitting there, he (addressed the same questions to the Blessed One and received exactly the same explanation). "Amazing, Master Gotama! Astounding! How the meaning and phrasing of the teacher and disciple agree, coincide, and do not diverge from one another with regard to the supreme teaching! Just now, Master Gotama, I went to the contemplative Moggallṅna and, on arrival, asked him about this matter, and he answered me with the same words, the same phrasing, as Master Gotama. Amazing, Master Gotama! Astounding! How the meaning and phrasing of the teacher and disciple agree, coincide, and do not diverge from one another with regard to the supreme teaching!" - --> - - - -