The Conch Trumpet Saṃ kha Sutta (SN 42:8) · 莲华归心开放中文佛学资料库

- suttas - - evening talks - short morning talks - lectures - guided meditations - talk collections - other themes - chants - - - - à¹à¸à¸¢ - Franā§ais - Espaā±ol - - Portuguāªs - Ð ÑÑÑÐºÐ¸Ð¹ - - - Ð£ÐºÑÐ°ÑÐ½ÑÑÐºÐ° Submit Search - Home - Suttas - SN - SN 42:8 The Conch Trumpet ## Browse Suttas Go to Saṃyutta Nikṅya index SN index ## The Conch Trumpet Saṃkha Sutta Â (SNÂ 42:8) Although the Jains, like the Buddhists, teach a doctrine of the moral consequences of actions, the teachings of the two traditions differ in many important details. This discourse points out two of the major points where the Buddhist teaching is distinctive: its understanding of the complexity of the kammic process, and its application of that understanding to the psychology of teaching. The Buddha shows that a simplistic, fatalistic view of the kammic process is logically inconsistent, and also leads to unfortunate results for any person who, with a background of bad kamma, believes in it. The actual complexity of kamma, however, allows for a way in which past evil deeds can be overcome: through refraining from evil now and into the future, and through developing expansive mind-states of goodwill, compassion, empathetic joy, & equanimity. In such an expansive mind state, the unavoidable consequences of past evil actions count for next to nothing. The Buddha also shows how his method of teaching is better than that of the Jains in that it actually can help free the mind from debilitating feelings of guilt and remorse, and lead to the overcoming of past kamma. For a fuller discussion of the complexity of the kammic process, see The Wings to awakening, Section I/B. *Â *Â * On one occasion the Blessed One was staying near Nṅḍandṅ in the Pṅvṅrika Mango Grove. Then Asibandhakaputta the headman, a disciple of the Nigaṃṭhas, went to the Blessed One and on arrival, having bowed down to him, sat to one side. As he was sitting there the Blessed One said to him: "Headman, how does Nigaṃṭha Nṅṭaputta teach the Dhamma to his disciples?" "Nigaṃṭha Nṅṭaputta teaches the Dhamma to his disciples in this way, lord: ), # Right single quote ('â', All those who take life are destined for a plane of deprivation, are destined for hell. All those who stealâ¦ All those who indulge in illicit sexâ¦ All those who tell lies are destined for a plane of deprivation, are destined for hell. Whatever one keeps doing frequently, by that is one led (to a state of rebirth).â Thatâs how Nigaṃṭha Nṅṭaputta teaches the Dhamma to his disciples." "If itâs true that ), # Right single quote ('â', Whatever one keeps doing frequently, by that is one led (to a state of rebirth),â then no one is destined for a plane of deprivation or destined to hell in line with Nigaṃṭha Nṅṭaputtaâs words. What do you think, headman? If a man is one who takes life, then taking into consideration time spent doing & not doing, whether by day or by night, which time is more: the time he spends taking life or the time he spends not taking life?" "If a man is one who takes life, lord, then taking into consideration time spent doing & not doing, whether by day or by night, then the time he spends taking life is less, and the time he spends not taking life is certainly more. If itâs true that ), # Right single quote ('â', Whatever one keeps doing frequently, by that is one led (to a state of rebirth),â then no one is destined for a plane of deprivation or destined to hell in line with Nigaṃṭha Nṅṭaputtaâs words." "What do you think, headman? If a man is one who stealsâ¦ indulges in illicit sexâ¦ tells lies, then taking into consideration time spent doing & not doing, whether by day or by night, which time is more: the time he spends telling lies or the time he spends not telling lies?" "If a man is one who tells lies, lord, then taking into consideration time spent doing & not doing, whether by day or by night, then the time he spends telling lies is less, and the time he spends not telling lies is certainly more. If itâs true that ), # Right single quote ('â', Whatever one keeps doing frequently, by that is one led (to a state of rebirth),â then no one is destined for a plane of deprivation or destined to hell in line with Nigaṃṭha Nṅṭaputtaâs words." "Thereâs the case, headman, where a certain teacher holds this doctrine, holds this view: ), # Right single quote ('â', All those who take life are destined for a plane of deprivation, are destined for hell. All those who stealâ¦ All those who indulge in illicit sexâ¦ All those who tell lies are destined for a plane of deprivation, are destined for hell.â A disciple has faith in that teacher, and the thought occurs to him, ), # Right single quote ('â', Our teacher holds this doctrine, holds this view: "All those who take life are destined for a plane of deprivation, are destined for hell." There are living beings that I have killed. I, too, am destined for a plane of deprivation, am destined for hell.â He fastens onto that view. If he doesnât abandon that