Cunda Cunda Sutta (AN 6:46)
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('â', These people are absorbed and besorbed in jhṅna, saying, "We are absorbed, we are absorbed." But why, indeed, are they absorbed? For what purpose are they absorbed? How are they absorbed?â In that, the Dhamma-devotee monks do not shine brightly, and the jhṅna monks do not shine brightly. That is not practicing for the welfare of the masses, for the happiness of the masses, for the good of the masses, nor for the welfare & happiness of devas & human beings. "And further, there is the case where jhṅna monks disparage Dhamma-devotee monks, saying, ),
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('â', These people say, "We are Dhamma-devotees, we are Dhamma-devotees,â but they are excitable, boisterous, unsteady, mouthy, loose in their talk, muddled in their mindfulness, unalert, unconcentrated, their minds wandering, their senses uncontrolled. Why, indeed, are they Dhamma devotees? For what purpose are they Dhamma devotees? How are they Dhamma devotees?â In that, the jhṅna monks do not shine brightly, and the Dhamma-devotee monks do not shine brightly. That is not practicing for the welfare of the masses, for the happiness of the masses, for the good of the masses, nor for the welfare & happiness of devas & human beings. "And further, there is the case where Dhamma-devotee monks praise only Dhamma-devotee monks, and not jhṅna monks. In that, the Dhamma-devotee monks do not shine brightly, and the jhṅna monks do not shine brightly. That is not practicing for the welfare of the masses, for the happiness of the masses, for the good of the masses, nor for the welfare & happiness of devas & human beings. "And further, there is the case where jhṅna monks praise only jhṅna monks, and not Dhamma-devotee monks. In that, the jhṅna monks do not shine brightly, and the Dhamma-devotee monks do not shine brightly. That is not practicing for the welfare of the masses, for the happiness of the masses, for the good of the masses, nor for the welfare & happiness of devas & human beings. "Thus, friends, you should train yourselves: ),
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('â', Being Dhamma-devotee monks, we will speak in praise of jhṅna monks.â Thatâs how you should train yourselves. Why is that? Because these are amazing people, hard to find in the world: those who dwell touching the deathless element with the body.1 "And thus, friends, you should train yourselves: ),
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('â', Being jhṅna monks, we will speak in praise of Dhamma-devotee monks.â Thatâs how you should train yourselves. Why is that? Because these are amazing people, hard to find in the world: those who penetrate with discernment statements of profound meaning." Note 1. AN 9:43 and 44 make a distinction between touching a meditative dimension with the body and knowing it with discernment. In both cases, the experience is direct and personal, and in both it leads to the ending of the mental effluents. Thus, "touching with the body" seems to have a more precise meaning than simple personal experience. It could mean that there is a somatic aspect to the experience or that the awareness of the deathless occupies the same fullness of awareness that had been occupied by the body. See also: DN 15; AN 5:73; AN 9:43—45; AN 10:24; Dhp 259 - --> - - - -