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To the Sakyan Sakka Sutta (AN 3:74)

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    To the Sakyan Sakka Sutta (AN 3:74)

    - suttas - - evening talks - short morning talks - lectures - guided meditations - talk collections - other themes - chants - - - - à¹à¸à¸¢ - Franā§ais - Espaā±ol - - Portuguāªs - РÑÑÑкий - - - УкÑаÑнÑÑка Submit Search - Home - Suttas - AN - AN 3:74 To the Sakyan ## Browse Suttas Go to Aṃguttara Nikṅya index AN index ## To the Sakyan Sakka Sutta  (AN 3:74) I have heard that on one occasion the Blessed One was staying among the Sakyans near Kapilavatthu in the Banyan Park. Now at that time the Blessed One had just recovered from being ill, was not long recovered from his illness. Then Mahṅnṅma the Sakyan went to the Blessed One and, on arrival, having bowed down, sat to one side. As he was sitting there he said to the Blessed One: "For a long time I have known the Dhamma taught by the Blessed One that ),

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    ('â', There is knowledge for one who is concentrated, not for one who is not concentrated.â Now, does concentration come first, and knowledge after, or does knowledge come first, and concentration after?" Then the thought occurred to Ven. ṅnanda, "Here the Blessed One has just recovered from being ill, is not long recovered from his illness, and yet Mahṅnṅma the Sakyan asks him this very deep question. What if I were to take Mahṅnṅma the Sakyan to one side and teach him the Dhamma?" So Ven. ṅnanda, taking Mahṅnṅma the Sakyan by the arm, led him to one side and said to him, "Mahṅnṅma, the Blessed One has talked both of the virtue of one who is in training [a stream-winner, a once-returner, or a non-returner] and of the virtue of one whose training is complete [an arahant]. He has talked both of the concentration of one who is in training and of the concentration of one whose training is complete. He has talked both of the discernment of one who is in training and of the discernment of one whose training is complete. "And what is the virtue of one who is in training? There is the case where a monk is virtuous. He dwells restrained in accordance with the Pṅṭimokkha, consummate in his behavior & sphere of activity. He trains himself, having undertaken the training rules, seeing danger in the slightest fault. This is called the virtue of one who is in training. "And what is the concentration of one who is in training? There is the case where a monk—quite secluded from sensuality,1 secluded from unskillful qualities2—enters & remains in the first jhṅna: rapture & pleasure born of seclusion, accompanied by directed thought & evaluation. With the stilling of directed thoughts & evaluations, he enters & remains in the second jhṅna: rapture & pleasure born of concentration, unification of awareness free from directed thought & evaluation—internal assurance. With the fading of rapture he remains equanimous, mindful, & alert, and senses pleasure with the body. He enters & remains in the third jhṅna, of which the noble ones declare, ),

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    ('â', Equanimous & mindful, he has a pleasant abiding.â With the abandoning of pleasure & pain—as with the earlier disappearance of elation & distress—he enters & remains in the fourth jhṅna: purity of equanimity & mindfulness, neither pleasure nor pain. This is called the concentration of one who is in training. "And what is the discernment of one who is in training? There is the case where a monk discerns as it has come to be that ),

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    ('â', This is stress⦠This is the origination of stress⦠This is the cessation of stress⦠This is the path of practice leading to the cessation of stress.â This is called the discernment of one who is in training. "Then there is the disciple of the noble ones—thus consummate in virtue, thus consummate in concentration, thus consummate in discernment—who, through the ending of the effluents, enters & remains in the effluent-free awareness-release & discernment-release, having directly known & realized them for himself right in the here & now. "In this way, Mahṅnṅma, the Blessed One has talked both of the virtue of one who is in training and of the virtue of one whose training is complete. He has talked both of the concentration of one who is in training and of the concentration of one whose training is complete. He has talked both of the discernment of one who is in training and of the discernment of one whose training is complete."3 Notes 1. For the meaning of sensuality here, see AN 6:63. 2. "And what, monks, are unskillful qualities? Wrong view, wrong resolve, wrong speech, wrong action, wrong livelihood, wrong effort, wrong mindfulness, wrong concentration." —SN 45:22 3. Ven. ṅnanda has answered Mahṅnṅmaâs question by noting that the concentration of one in training precedes both the discernment of one in training and the discernment of one whose training is complete, whereas the discernment of one in training has preceded the concentration of one whose training is complete. See also: MN 48; MN 117; SN 22:5; SN 35:99; SN 55:33; AN 5:28; AN 9:36 - --> - - - -